Saturday, October 21, 2006

Spectrum of Views on Christian Salvation


At 1:11 PM, Blogger OnceaWes said...

Imagine another rectangle.

Above it rests the Title

"Christian Views Of Creation"

On the bottom left side of the Rectangle is the lable titled


On the bottom right side of the Rectangle is the lable titled


Along the line that splits the Rectangle are views of creation that provide an incremental synergistic continuum between the view that holds that the Universe is self created and the view that holds that the Universe is created by God alone.

In the upper left Corner is the label 'Nature's Work'. In the bottom right cornere is the label 'God's Work.'

Naturally, you want to avoid either unseemly extreme of a World that Naturalistically Monergistic on one hand while avoiding the opposite extreme of a World that is Supernaturalistically Monergistic. Therefore you hold to the view that the World is a litttle bit self created while mostly God created.

"For it is God, (by means of Supernaturalistic monergism) who commanded the light to shine out of darkness who (by means of Divine monergism) has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of God in the Face of Jesus Christ." II Cor. 4:6

At 2:50 PM, Blogger Chris Bounds said...



Point well taken and definitily illustrative of your perspective on this spectrum I have tried to draw.

While of course you are trying to argue your particular position, a position for which I have great respect, and a point you make well, do you believe the spectrum as articulated brings together the various understanding of salvation as they exist in Christianity,and not just within the various streams of Reformed theology? This is ultimately what I am trying to do and not neccesarily argue any particular position at this point. I am trying to respect and give voice to the nuances that exist in Christian understandings, just as I would attempt to do the same in Reformed theology and not set up one position as the definitive Reformed perspective.

With my respect,

Chris Bounds

At 3:08 PM, Blogger Chris Bounds said...



Point well taken and an excellent illustration of your perspective on salvation.

What I am trying to do is construct a spectrum that represents the variously nuanced understandings of salvation that exists in Christianity and try to do justice to them. I am also trying to help those in the Wesleyan tradition, recognize that the Wesleyan tradition is not monolithic in this regard as well. Do you think I succeed in doing so? I would be more interested in your critique of the spectrum in regard to the presentation of the various understandings. Does the spectrum do justice to these understandings as a whole? At this point, I am not as interested in arguing what is "the" biblical position or the right position. I am trying to take seriously in this presentation a spectrum that represents the various teachings on salvation in Christianity, good and bad.

Please know that I respect your position and you faith, and as I have read your posts here and in other blogs I respect your particular Reformed perspective more than others and I am more sympathetic to your Reformed perspective in the various streams of Reformed teaching. If I was Reformed, you position as I have seen articulated would be close to mine.

Perhaps, in the future we can discuss our differences. At this point, I am simply trying to present this spectrum of the teaching that exists in Christianity. You are obviously a person well grounded biblically and theologically, as such I would appreciate a critique of what I have tried to do from your perspective.

With my repect,

Chris Bounds

At 8:20 AM, Blogger OnceaWes said...

Dr. Bounds,

The only objection I would have is that, since extremes are usually to be avoided, the diagram implicitly suggests the infelicity of embracing either extreme.

Beyond that I think it is a masterful job of bringing simplicity to a subject that can be confusing.


At 9:15 AM, Blogger Chris Bounds said...


You are correct that such a presentation can do that.

I will try to publish in the near future my reasons for being a solid semi-Augustinian and not Augustinian in the near future. I will look forward to the dialogue.

Thanks again for your take.

Chris Bounds


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